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Koushirou/Zoro’s Connection with Wano Has Been Confirmed!

Recently we have learned that Zoro has taught Momonosuke a unusual word to shout when training his sword skill and that word is “snatch”. Momonosuke is immediately told not to use that word because in the old Kuri Dialect there was a yell like that as well and it is not befitting of someone with Momosuke’s status. In the panel you will notice they show Zoro in a scary pose and there is sweat coming down O-Kiku’s face as she warns Momosuke not to use that word implying that she is really downplaying how big of deal it really is for him to use that word. The other thing we can take away from this is that she says “it may just be coincidence” but from a writing stand point you are just not going to say this unless it is most certainly not a coincidence, this is foreshadowing.


Kiku’s reaction to “snatch” made me think of word taboos in ancient China or Japan. People would avoid words that were associated with negative things or bad luck and some of these superstitions are still present today, for example avoiding the number 4 because it sounds like “death”.

From there I came up with a theory:

Maybe the “snatch” yell is related to an ancient samurai clan that inhabited Kuri a long time ago – definitely before Kiku’s time 20 years ago. It could have been that clan’s trademark shout or battle cry, being described as “a way to strengthen your heart when your courage falters”.
The clan later became infamous/was exterminated for whatever reason, and everything connected to it, including their distinctive yell, became taboo for the people of Wano, who started to avoid anything related to them out of fear of bad luck or repercussions. So “snatch” became a forbidden word.

What if the survivors of that clan, exiled or fleeing from Wano, ended up in the East Blue and are Koshiro’s ancestors? That would explain why Koshiro, a dōjo master in a remote village in the weakest sea, had one of the 21 Ō Wazamono swords. Zoro must have learned that yell and the meaning associated to it from the person who trained him– Koshiro. Zoro himself can’t be from Wano because Oda repeatedly stated he was born in the East Blue, but we know nothing of Koshiro’s family origins.

This would give Koshiro and Kuina a Wano ancestry, and give Zoro a further connection to Wano through them and Wadō Ichimonji. The last chapter has just revealed Yasu’s real name. Back when the Kozuki Family ruled over Wano Country, Yasu served as the daimyo of Hakumai. His real name is Shimotsuki Yasuie. Shimotsuki is also the name of the village Zoro grew up in! This confirms the connection between Koshiro and Wano. In the image below you can also notice the symbol of cross swords. The same symbol we already saw on Koshiro’s clothes!
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Kozuki Hiyori’s real Identity

Here is how I think it went down! First, it was shown for a fact that excluding oden and toki, there were nine other graves! That simply clearly points towards the fact that the nine people that toki talked about were not the strawhats, and not supernova captains, and not nine samurai who wield swords. But rather toki simply talked about the 9 people she sent into the future that they will bring down orochi!

Okay, first let's discuss the options that toki has done to hiyori! Shall we? There are simply four possibilities that could have happened to hiyori!

1. First option, is that toki let hiyori stay in the same timeline. And I'm sorry, that is just nonsense for three reasons: first, there is no way that she would let her stay in this dangerous place to die while transporting others to future and not include her daughter hahaha. Secondly, because toki was shown alone when she gave the speech about the 9 people who will bring down orochi! Sure it was a silhouette, but still she was shown standing alone in the fire! And third, hiyori is an important member of the 9 who toki hinted at who will take down orochi, so she wouldn't stay in the same timeline to die!


2. The second option, toki sent hiyori into the same future and time as momo's group. Now, that would be impossible, because of one fact, she was not next to them just like that other samurai with the hat (and probably other members at different locations being sent). In any case, momo, kinemon, raizo, kanjuro, and kiku, they all were transported into the same future, and they basically were standing on the same location, which was oden castle when they were being transported, so that's why they were in the same place, and if hiyori was sent into the same future as momo's group, she would have appeared next to them! So, that option is out of the question to me!

3. The third option, toki sent hiyori into the future but a future that is after momo's time. Meaning, she still did not arrive! Cause she will appear in the future still. Now, that is not a convincing logic for toki to do it. Why would she do that? It would not make any sense at all. First, that will make her unlikely to be part of the 9 people she talked about cause she will not take part in the upcoming event, same as the other samurai group who came with her. Secondly, oda will have no reason to invent a character like this who will take no part! Like, it does not add up to me! That's why I do not consider this option to be at any case a good option to pull off, but who knows!


4. Lastly, the 4th option is that toki sent hiyori into the future, but a future that is before momo's group arrival. That simply first would explain why hiyori did not appear next to momo's group, same as that other samurai with the hat who probably appeared next to hiyori at the same spot and time to look after her as well as some other group of samurai retainers (not inuarashi and nekumamushi cause they were not among the ones who were sent into future by toki, so they are not among the people who had graves)! Second thing, it would make sense for toki to send her either with momo's group and wait until they are ready for war, or send her before momo! And I'm talking about this because of hiyori's age, which from how it looks, momo looks like the older brother while hiyori might be even way younger!

And if that's that case, and her age is like 2 years old for example, then she will make a huge burden for momo's group to wage a war, and they will have to look after her cause people at that young age will simply render them! And I'm not talking about momo, cause at least momo can realize what is danger and he can run away, he can hold a stick, he can talk...Etc! Those might be things that hiyori still didn't manage to have where she is at a very early age that people need to carry her, and feed her, and protect her as a child. It's why she was being carried by toki in that panel! So, the best option I think toki would do is to actually make her travel into a future that is before momo's arrival, so that when momo arrives, she actually has grown a bit to where she can not be of a huge burden!

Note: I also think because of o-tama's age when she was sent into the future before momo, she was at very early age, people like heitetsu and the person with that hat and so on, the group that were transported with o-tama, they might have hidden the fact about her being hiyori and they told her she's o-tama cause kids spill the beans very easily. I mean look at doffy for example who spilled the beans about being a cilistial dragon very easily to the citizens which got them into huge trouble! That is why the treatment towards o-tama were different from the treatment with momo who was already aware for what's happening during his age! And o-tama was being taught by heitetsu and other group of samurai who came with her that kozuki clan are good people while orochi is bad, and they are enemy! It's why she has those kinds of value, and it's why despite the public being fooled that the kozuki are dead, she is one of those who believe that kozuki clan will come back and take back their place from orochi, and that simply was being taught to her by heitetsu and the group of people who came into her timeline. Which is why she knows this stuff, but simply she doesn't know the full truth that she traveled in time as well, and that she's from kozuki and she's oden's daughter because she was too small as a child to understand and someone like heitetsu was hiding this info from her cause she was not ready yet!

That's my full belief on the hiyori matter!
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Kozuki Oden's Wife Being Alive

Based on the statement of kyoshiro "Oden's wife stood in front of castle" and cursed orochi, and the drawing as well looks as if oden's wife's face is towards the flames of burning castle, which possibly suggests that she herself was not inside castle and also as we can see it is shown many times that there are total of eleven graves of which three of them belongs to kozuki family which those graves includes the nine sheaths/swords of oden as well but what makes it more suspicious about oden's wife is that the third kozuki grave's name is hidden intentionally, which means if that third kozuki name was written a male or someone else other than oden's wife then we could instantly know that oden's wife is not dead.



Which if the time had came to introduce oden's wife then the introduction would lose all the shock factor since we had already known she was alive or possibly there might be another hidden intention of oda's.




And yes momonosuke did mention that even her mother suffered/killed by kaido's hands but it is possible that it is just that momonosuke thinks so but in reality she is still kept alive most likely because of the possible devil fruit powers that she had, which could be the cause of time travel, the curse that kyoshiro mentioned caused by devil fruit and judging kinemon's statement in the past samurais of wano didn't/don't know about devil fruit probably that is the reason kyoshiro and others thinks of it as a curse instead of devil fruit ability however kaido most likely knows what powers it is that's why she is being kept alive and probably wanted to capture momonosuke in order to blackmail her and also it is possible that this devil fruit and oden's wife could actually be the answer for all the crimes during the void century and it is her ability that might enable luffy and others to change the history of one piece world by traveling to past/joyboy's era.
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About The Kozuki Family And Momonosuke

Momonosuke is the heir of kozuki family from wano county. And that has put me on thoughts. According to other strawhat member selection, luffy prefers  them to have an unbielivable dream, a horrible past and/or traumatic experiences and some kind of weirdness. Momonosuke fits in all of them as long as he is pervert (apparently much more than sanji or brook), the next king of wano land, and his father was murdered and he himself had been chased to be killed and ended up as a prisoner for human experiments.



That's an hypothesis , but if we consider that momonosuke by joining strawhats would have the utlimate protection since strawhats are always in move staticness in one place increases the possibilities of search and find game and they are pretty much always aparted in teams on lands so if someone search for strawhats in order to find and kill momo there is a possibility of 1/4 to 1/2 to find the proper team and he would have to face the strength of strawhats. Luffy seems to feel protective about people with that kind of past and experience and prefers a candidate with some funny weirdness. In momos point of view this is the best way to grow stronger, learn about the world and history and to be taught about how to be a king. I can already imagine that since luffy is  a pirate and momo "Hates"(most likely hated) pirates (until luffy saved him) it will be difficult for the last to join in , but in most cases it was exactly the scheme that a stranger have joined strawhat pirates and have become the next member same for zoro,sanji,chopper,nami,franky none of them wanted to join strawhats in the first place and everyone had have found an excuse for condradict with luffys promt for joining in.