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The Leak: From Zou to Wano

INTRODUCTION
I did write a "theory" regarding whom I thought the leak was which I classed as PURELY SPECULATIVE even in the title. Reason being I had no concrete evidence in some of my conclusions. However, there are some things that we can factually identify and I think it's using that as context that will make this a lot easier.

With that said, I'm somewhat discarding the person I suspected as a leak in my theory as the evidence wasn't very substantial, it was for the most part open to interpretation, but here I am writing another piece of speculation which I think would be better than the last.

I will highlight what is Speculative and what I deem Fact in sub-headings. Without much more rambling... on to my main point.

FACT: ORIGIN OF THE LEAK
Carrot as well as other Minks have been subjected to being called a traitor for whatever reason. I'm not going to claim she is/they are at this point. I will however lay down some OBJECTIVE FACTS regarding how the Beast Pirates knew Raizo was at Zou.

First thing that needs to be understood is that Oda in essence tells us HOW they got to Zou. We're told by Inuarashi that they must have had a Vivre card ⁸²⁴. It's the one hint Oda gives us, therefore, it's implied he's telling us we should go with Vivre cards are how they got there.

Second thing that needs be understood is how do vivre cards work. It's a piece of paper created with Toe Nail clippings. This paper once created can be torn.



    The torn pieces are attracted towards each other, but it doesn't tell one how far the papers are from the other ⁴⁸⁹.
    The other thing is it indicates one's life-force by reducing in size ⁴⁸⁹; it also changes in size meaning if someone dies, the Vivre-card will disappear ⁵⁷⁴.

What does this mean exactly regarding Jack arriving at Zou? For example, Luffy's vivre card in Wano was found by Sanji, it however didn't tell them where exactly he was, but they at least knew he was alive ⁹²⁰. They had to contact Kinemon in order to know where exactly Luffy was located.

The other thing that needs be reinforced is Vivre-cards disappear when life has dissipated and remains if someone is alive.

HOW DOES ONE GET TO ZOU
Law had a vivre-card of Bepo in order to get to Zou ⁸⁰⁵; he gave one to Nami ⁷⁰¹; he gave one to Nami because it's impossible to get to Zou since it isn't an Island with a magnetic field, but a moving Elephant ⁸⁰². It means one can't just get to Zou because they know Zou exists, one can only get there if they have a vivre card of someone at Zou.

The exception would be being Mink whom are able to home in on Zou seemingly. Bepo had been away from Zou most of his life, yet he found his way there which implies they must have some unique homing ability.

WHAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW

Most people don't know this, but I will explain how it relates to Zou. When the Swirly Pirates went to Zou, the Big Mom Pirates followed them. How? Are one of the Strawhat Pirates secretly spies, leaks or traitors working for Big Mom? I think we can logically conclude they're not given all the sacrifices they've made for each other.

How then did Big Mom Pirates know Swirly Pirates were heading to Zou? Simply, they heard them shouting that they were heading for Zou... go figure ⁸¹¹. There was no traitor amongst the Strawhat Pirates.

Most people aren't aware that when Kinemon and co. arrived from the past, whilst being chased by BEAST PIRATES, they shouted to meet at Zou ⁹²⁰. There wasn't necessarily a traitor amongst the Minks. The Beast Pirates simply like the Big Mom Pirates... heard the information.

However, as we've established from Law, just knowing about Zou doesn't let you know how to get to Zou. You need someone at Zou whose vivre card is at hand, otherwise, it's impossible to get to Zou, thus, Inuarashi's conclusion.

As shown here:

    A traitor isn't necessary for someone to have come to Zou.

WHAT DOES ALL THE EVIDENCE TELL US

    We know how vivre cards work.
    We know they must have heard the location being passed across, thus Jack arriving at Zou.
    We know there isn't necessarily a traitor.

What we now need to do is use the current information we have to understand the most likely scenario that led to this event.

Another bit of information we need to realise here is that Raizo arrived at Zou. We can only assume that Raizo also had a Vivre card of someone at Zou just like Jack did.

CONDITIONS REQUIRED TO GET TO ZOU
For a vivre card to lead to Zou:

    The person must be at Zou.
    The person must be alive.
    The person must be in possession of a vivre card while at zou.
    Most importantly, the person whose vivre card has been acquired MUST have been outside of Zou at least once, or it's impossible to get their vivre card to begin with.
    They also MUST have run in with the Beast Pirates.

Who are the people that have been outside of Zou though?

    Inuarashi was present at Wano when Kaido killed Oden (therefore been outside of Zou at least once confirmed), he ran into Beast Pirates (encounter confirmed).
    Nekomamushi was present at Wano when Kaido killed Oden (therefore been outside of Zou at least once confirmed), he ran into Beast Pirates (encounter confirmed)
    Pedro was a Pirate who went to WCI (therefore been outside of Zou at least once confirmed), but no evidence he ran into any other Pirates other than the Big Mom Pirates or Evidence he went to Wano (encounter unconfirmed).

The only Minks whose vivre cards could have been acquired are Inuarashi's or Nekomamushi's. Carrot and most Minks have not been outside of Zou, so it'd be impossible to have acquired their vivre cards, much more be considered traitors.

HOW DID THEIR VIVRE CARDS GET ACQUIRED

Through Kinemon's account of what happened when Oden got killed, he tells us Inuarashi and Nekomamushi got involved with the enemy whilst squabbling ⁹²⁰. In fact, Kinemon talks about this back in Zou, or at least... references it ⁸¹⁷.

One thing I'd like to point out is we don't know if vivre cards disappear if one is transported into the future or if they become regarded as dead according to the vivre card. Therefore, I'd go with what is known and assume the Beast Pirates acquired vivre cards of one of the 9 sheathes that were known to be alive at Zou (Nekomamushi and Inuarashi).

I'd guess Oden had vivre cards of his subordinates who sailed with him on both Whitebeard's and Roger's ship, thus when Oden was killed, the Beast Pirates likely acquired it. As soon as they heard Raizo was heading to Zou, they took these vivre cards of either Minks to Zou and stayed there unwavering in their conviction of Raizo's presence.

Another thing that should be taken note of here is the Minks said they planned with Kinemon and co. to meet up at Zou ⁸¹⁷. One of the Minks must have given a piece of their vivre card to Raizo.

While to me this definitely and evidentially proves there was no leak with sound reasoning and evidence, just the idea that the Minks could be traitors after almost dying is mind-boggling. Even without this, it's simply difficult to believe the Minks could be traitors.

The question now is who is the leak in Wano? I think based on this, I can confidently rule out the Minks.

THE LEAK AT WANO: Pick Your Hints Objectively
A bunch of the scabbards have been blamed for being leaks/traitors. The question that has to be asked is.... where's the evidence?

We sometimes mistaken hints and evidence. A hint is the entertainment of something possibly being evidence, and it may not be. Many theories that are wrong tend to be based on hints. It's subjective.

That's not to say a hint can't be evidence, a hint simply has to be consistent with the objective facts in order to be tenured.

Hints are also obscure, so they're hard claim as concrete evidence. For example:

    Kinemon couldn't find Inuarashi when he wanted to report a leak having been found ⁹³⁸. Does that make Inuarashi the leak? No, why not? It's not substantial evidence of anything other than he wasn't found at that point in time.

It could be a hint and it may not be. When do we consider it a hint? If there's consecutive or inumerable displays of odd behaviour, then we could entertain it as a hint.

It's very difficult to call anything a hint; the only time something can be called a hint is after the fact. Hints are so obscure they can hardly be called evidence to prove anything.

The only time hints (which are subjective) can be really trusted is if there is a consistent showing of similar behaviours or patterns.

My last theory, I said speculatively, the culprit was Jibuemon simply the fact that:

    He appeared to Kinemon with 2 men ⁹²⁰, and when the leak occurred, he wasn't present in Rasetsu prison whereas the 2 other men were ⁹³⁹.

Like I said in my theory, purely speculative. Maybe they just haven't seen him. It's not necessarily a case of Jibuemon being guilty.

Could it be a hint? Possibly, but in the end, if it turns out the leak was someone else, then it wasn't a hint at all.

We have to pick our hints carefully and objectively in context with previous information that's interpreted properly and makes sense.

ANALYSIS OF THE LEAK: WHO FITS THE BILL
We need to establish who could be the leak. Just like if 3 people were in a room and there's a missing item, we know 1 of these 3 people at the very least is the culprit.

In this scenario, we have to establish who the leak or traitor could be.

The important thing to understand is how did Kinemon develop his plan, and from that, we're able to find the flaws in the plan. This panel shows how the plan was formulated:

    First, we must understand that Kinemon and co. appear 20 years from the past into the future.
    They have lost all orientation of Wano.
    They see the changes that have taken place.
    They get approached by Jibuemon.
    Jibuemon indicates that all allies of the Kozuki who were ready to fight 20 years ago got marked with ankle tattoos in the shape of crescents.

What we need to have in mind is Kinemon NEVER knew about the crescent ankle meaning most people do not know about it. These ankles didn't become a thing until the Kozuki clan were supposedly wiped out. For 20 years, people have been walking around Wano with these tattoos.

What does this mean? It means Orochi and the entirety of Wano probably never knew anything about these tattoos or its significance. THIS is why Kinemon decided to make leaflet puzzles with this crescent tattoo.

No one could know what it meant unless:

    They had the tattoo meaning they knew what the tattoo symbolised.
    Or were informed about the tattoo e.g. people like Kinemon without the tattoo who were informed of its symbolism such as the alliance outside of those wearing the crescent; in other words, anyone in the alliance.

Another thing to take into consideration is, yes, we're all the way at chapter 958, but the leak took effect in chapter 936 ⁹³⁶. Why is the chapter important? because it tells us when the leak occurred, therefore, anyone relevant in the story around this time is a suspect.

The culprits constrained to this period would be:

    Samurai with Tattoos like Jibuemon (KNEW THE SYMBOLISM, DIDN'T NEED TO BE INFORMED)
    Kinemon (informed on symbolism)
    Kanjuro (informed on symbolism)
    Raizo (informed on symbolism)
    Kiku (informed on symbolism)
    Momonosuke (informed on symbolism)
    Shinobu (informed on symbolism)
    Heart Pirates (informed on symbolism)
    Straw Hats (informed on symbolism)
    Ashura Doji/Shutenmaru (informed on symbolism)
    Kawamatsu (informed on symbolism BUT was imprisoned up until chapter 948)

So, these are our culprits who number 11, but the only person we can cross out is Kawamatsu leaving us with 10 culprits. Leaks have been taking places before he was out of prison, therefore, it's likely the leaks are as a result of whomever leaked it the first time. What did I just do here? I gave Kawamatsu an ALIBI, and this is what I will be using to narrow down the culprit.

TIMING OF LEAK: WHY NOW?
Kinemon and co. are informing Luffy and co. that from the moment they were transported to the future, to the moment that Luffy arrived at Wano, only a few months (2-3) have gone by ⁹²⁰.

They met Jibuemon who told them about the crescent tattoo a few months ago apparently. So, anything from 2-3 months ago was when Kinemon knew about the crescent tatoo .

    Kiku has been in Wano for let's say 2 months doing research and investigating Kaido's forces.
    Kinemon left Kiku for 2 months while they went to find recruits from Zou and outside Wano.

My point is the crescent tattoo is something that has not been leaked for 2 months at least.

    Kinemon, Heart Pirates and some SHs arrived at Wano about 2-3 weeks ago.
    So for 2 months + 2/3 weeks, the crescent tattoo was never known about.

So, even before Luffy arrived, these people were in Wano and knew about the crescent tattoo:

    Kinemon
    Kanjuro
    Raizo
    Kiku
    Shinobu
    Inuarashi

More importantly, these people were the alliance and the people in the know. Then:

Strawhats - Zoro, Franky, Robin, Usopp

Heart Pirates - Law, Bepo, Shachi, etc.

My question is why wasn't there a leak for over 2 months and 2/3 weeks until the Luffy arrived. What happened after Luffy arrived? The tattoo only became known about AFTER Luffy and crew arrived.

This helps us refine the culprit further. The timing is from Luffy's arrival to chapter 936, we'll find who the leak is.

ALIBIS FOR THE ALLIANCE BETWEEN LUFFY'S ARRIVAL AND CHAPTER 936
I will only bring up those that are easiest to monitor, and those who I feel are relevant.

    Luffy, Raizo, Kawamatsu were all in prison - so they can't likely be the leaks as Raizo would have been trying to save Luffy whereas Kawamatsu wouldn't know about the crescent.
    Kiku was with Chopper, Big Mom, Momonosuke and Tama trying to go to Udon when the leak occurred, so we can somewhat dismiss them reasonably imo.
    Shinobu was with Nami, Robin and Brook at the Feast trying to investigate the Shogun's dwelling before the leak happened, they were together the entire time, so even Shinobu shouldn't be able to leak anything.
    The only one of the Scabbards that was not partaking in the investigating was Kanjuro who Nami and co. met with. So, Kanjuro was alone for a while.
    Kanjuro was also isolated from Nami, Shinobu and Robin in the bath when the leak occurred.
    Kanjuro has been the only one with this information that has been pretty isolated which does make him a possible leak.
    Inuarashi was apparently nowhere to be found when Kinemon wanted to tell him a leak had occurred, but then he appeared, but he's been working closely with the others in the Kuri region, so we can't say anything definitely.

Out of all the scabbards, Kanjuro and Inuarashi seem to be the only ones who have been somewhat solitary to entertain them as leaks. Even with that said, it's hard to see the motive for any of these scabbards to be a leak as they've been through a hell of a lot to be culprits.

It all boils down to this, even if we entertain Kanjuro and Inuarashi as possible leaks, they've been in Wano for so long that it makes one wonder why they'd decide to leak now and not earlier? Why not earlier? It makes no sense.

Alibis does somewhat help, but context of these characters make it difficult to still point a finger at anyone. They've proven to be as loyal as they come. They shed tears over Yasu, they were angered by Kaido's gratuitous violence and they love Oden.

What then do we refer to in order to point fingers?

WHAT CHANGED AFTER LUFFY ARRIVED? ASHURA DOJI/SHUTENMARU

    Kinemon tried to recruit Shutenmaru as we see here ⁹²⁵; the leaks happened shortly after this. A day or 2 later in fact.
    Shutenmaru and jfought Kaido together ⁹²². This must have happened when Kinemon was transported into the future. Kawamatsu isn't present either. This could have happened 5 years ago or 15 years ago, we don't know. It's just odd that Shutenmaru doesn't say anything about this to Kinemon when he was indirectly speaking about Denjiro ⁹⁵⁴. He knows something about Denjiro given that they fought Kaido together, yet he says nothing about it.
    We can assume Kinemon told Shutenmaru about the crescents; we know he did try to recruit Shutenmaru, but failed.
    It's also quite odd that Shutenmaru pretended like he had no intention to fight Kaido when he refused Kinemon, he has actually been working towards fighting Kaido again where Kinemon is just 20 years late: We see he's been gathering ships from all around Wano for 20 years: . He also says he's not been idle for these 20 years.

    Shutenmaru despite having failed 10 years ago ⁹⁵⁰, he's still been trying to fight against Kaido. He has been gathering ships, stealing food supplies. In fact, we know Shutenmaru was the one who stole the plans for Onigashima that Franky was looking for, and it seems he stole these after the people who couldn't wait 20 years to fight died 10 years ago.
    Shutenmaru has also been recruiting men for the past 2 decades in preparation for Kaido ⁹⁵⁰.
    Whilst trying to recruit Shutenmaru... Kinemon had no idea how many crescent footed people were around. They supposedly didn't even have 500 people recruited according to Shinobu.

This leads me to conclude that:

    Shutenmaru was the one who leaked the crescent tattoo in order to see how many people would be rounded up for battle given that he's been preparing too.
    I'm also going to guess that Shutenmaru knows who Denjiro is since we know both of them fought Kaido. It seems both changed their name, Ashura Doji changed to Shutenmaru whereas Kyoshiro changed to Denjiro.
    Shutenmaru was aware that Hiyori was found, he was there when it was stated, but it seems the specifics whereabouts was never stated; he also possibly leaked Tokage Port probably because he's working alongside Denjiro (Kyoshiro); Denjiro will probably release the prisoners and they'll possibly regroup at Habu port.

It seems Shutenmaru may have outsmarted everyone as he's been doing for the past 20 years. It just seems odd that he fought with Denjiro and then he never even brings him up again. Could very well be that he's the leak and could be secretly working with Denjiro (Kyoshiro).

Quite interesting that the leak also never ratted out the fact the 9 sheathes were alive, otherwise Orochi would be looking for them at their base which is why I believe the leak is someone who doesn't hate Oden. If they did, they just need tell them where their base was located, and it would have been a wrap.

This is my final conclusion on the entire thing, could well be wrong, but I'm personally sold as I think it makes the most sense.
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The Numbers of the Beast Pirates

The Numbers are a group of massive people who are associated with Kaido and the Beasts Pirates.The Numbers are comparable in size to giants, utterly dwarfing humans and longarms like Scratchmen Apoo. They all possess two horns on their head, much like Kaido, and two of them carry a spiked club similar to Kaido’s kanabō, thus giving them traits similar to those of the legendary oni. Two of them have been shown with very sharp teeth.



Their physical constitutions vary greatly, with some being taller and slimmer while others are shorter and rounder. One member has a notably long neck. According to Queen, every member of the Numbers has a drinking problem. A child from Hakumai told another child that they would be eaten by the Numbers if spotted, but it is unknown whether that is the truth or a myth. Likewise, he also said that they were from Onigashima, but it is unclear whether he meant that they were native beings of Onigashima or that they were members of the Beasts Pirates who are situated in Onigashima, hence stating that they were from there.

So the Numbers seems to be a species we haven’t seen before or atleast not of a species we know of. Or do we? I have 2 theories:

1: The Numbers are the same species as Oars

The Numbers are clearly tall. They have a demon-like appearance. We know that Moria most likely have been in Wano and there maybe he found Oars’ body.

2: Kaido is the same species as The Numbers

This one is a little weird. But what if Kaido came to Wano because his race (The Numbers) were hunted by World Government and then he found Wano, a country that got almost no contact with the rest of the world. He then came with The Numbers as their leader, and they fought with Kaido to dethrone Oden. Queen also said that The Numbers all have a drinking problems and so do Kaido (and it would explain the horns).
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The Unstoppable Alliance between Bigmom And Kaido forms in Wano!

It is revealed by Hiyori that Kozuki Oden used to wield two powerful Meito blades in a style of swordsmanship that was a Daito Nitoryu (literally meaning “Long-Sword Two-Sword Style”): Ame no Habakiri and its sister blade Enma, the latter said to be the only sword that has ever harmed Kaido. Oden gave each blade to each of his children, Momonosuke and Hiyori respectively. The Ame no Habakiri (literally meaning “Snake-Slayer of Heaven/Takamagahara”) is the most famous Totsuka no Tsurugi, appearing in Japanese mythology as a blade used by the Shinto god Susanoo to slay the legendary monster serpent Yamata no Orochi. “Haba” is an archaic term for “snake.” Anyway Zoro accepts Hiyori’s offer to give him Enma in place of Shusui, despite Kawamatsu’s reservations.




In the meantime Law is freed from his imprisonment by a mysterious figure, and he cuts up Hawkins, who reveals that his alliance with Kid and Apoo was blown up due to Apoo secretly working for Kaido since the start. Then we see a shadowy figure who is letting Law escape. He’s probably the same person that allowed Law to break free from his cuffs. But who is he? It has to be X Drake! He was the only other person with Law and Hawkins. Furthermore, Oda recently stated that X Drake has a particular interest in Luffy x Law Alliance. On Onigashima, Kaido and Big Mom have stopped their battle and reveal to King and Queen that they have formed an Alliance to take over the World! As we know, the possibility of two or more of the Yonko forming an alliance was enough of a threat to cause the World Government to panic, as seen when it unsuccessfully attempted to prevent a meeting between Shanks and Whitebeard. The World Government feared that the two Yonko would unify, creating a much more imposing threat that would disrupt the balance between the Great Powers. Will this trigger the arrival of the Marines in Wano? If we remember Kizaru’s reaction to Big Mom and Kaido’s conversation on the den den mushi, we can assume that at least one Admiral will show up at the end of this gigantic conflict. By now, there are only five days remaining before the raid on Onigashima.
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Reasons Why Wano Lost The War

Previously we were judging Oden's strength based on current nine red scabbard's Ashura Doji, Inuarashi and Nekomamushi who showed strength equivalent/similar to Jack thus placing Oden's strength around Yonko first/second mate or so and while having that kind of strength in Scabbards who were nine people and on top of that Oden and Hyogoro, they should not have lost the war, specially since only four scabbards could deal with Kaido's Top three who were a rather newly formed pirates however previous chapter revealed Ashura Doji, Nekomamushi and Inuarashi were much weaker twenty years ago and the fact that Kinemon was the leader of their group we thought maybe because he was good strategist but it is most likely that Kinemon was actually the strongest of them all nine Scabbards as well and if that were the case then Oden was also weaker than we thought, maybe around current Ashura Doji and so Wano the country of Samurai really did have weaker forces than we originally thought and the whole country losing to Kaido could be justified.

Here are the main reasons:

1- The Beasts Pirates had Kaido. Oden was strong, no doubt, but he's pretty much confirmed to be somewhere in between Roger/Whitebeard and Ashura Doji. If he was as strong as Katakuri, for example, it would already be more than enough to make him the strongest person in Wano, as Ashura Doji was considered the strongest criminal of Wano before being defeated by Oden. This is clearly not even close to enough to take down the WSC.

2- Kaido still had his own "Katakuri" (King) and other two powerful commanders (Queen and Jack), and a few strong "mid tiers" too (The Flying Six, or at least some of them, as X Drake obviously wasn't there, and possibly other strong headliners and allies). Even if they weren't as strong as they are now, they were surely pretty strong already.
3- Oden was backstabbed by Orochi. Not only he had to deal with one of the strongest pirate crews of all time, but also with internal enemies. Many samurai and ninjas, loyal to Orochi, certainly turned against him too.
4- The Red Scabbards didn't even fight, apparently. Orochi somehow captured Oden without notice and his retainers escaped (or were captured) after he was executed. 
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Monkey D. Luffy Shows Qualities of a True Pirate King!

Luffy, Chopper, Hyogoro, Raizo, Kikunojo, and Kawamatsu overwhelm the Beasts Pirates, but Daifugo shoots the prisoners with special bullets, which inflict a debilitating virus known as Mummy onto them that is spread through touch.



Daifugo reveals that this virus is one of Queen’s greatest creations. The virus basically eats the person from inside destroying their cells at a rapid speed. The prisoners with broken spirits move to subdue Luffy’s group, but Luffy unexpectedly grabs them and becomes infected.
Luffy then pushes everyone down and tells them to wake up and realize that they are all just slaves. He tells them that their conditions will only worsen the longer Kaido stays in power, and if they want to get out of this, they should not stand in his way. So Luffy manages to persuade the prisoners to rebel against the Beasts Pirates with one of the best speeches he’s ever had in the whole series.



He tells to the prisoners of Udon that giving up on hope and accepting to live in a miserable condition is not a way to live, living life out as a slave isn’t living at all. This just shows how much Luffy has grown as a Leader. His capability to move the hearts of others shows again why he’s the man destined to become the Future Pirate King. In the meantime, Babanuki prepares to fire an Excite Shell into the crowd, but with his incredible future sight, Luffy anticipates it easily. He ties up his elephant’s trunk, causing the shell to explode inside Babanuki. The prisoners then decide to join Luffy and rebel, and they defeat Daifugo as Luffy’s alliance conquers Udon. There are eight days before the final battle against Kaido.
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Who Is Going To Be Captured?

Fukurokuju's words might very well come true. "Capture one of them, no matter who it is, the torture will reveal us all their plans..." This scenario is highly likely to happen, someone among the pirate alliance will get captured and tortured. It would explain and show us what happened to Killer and possibly we could see other members of Kidd pirates in torture chambers.

The question, like the title says - Who is going to get captured and tortured?
It could be almost anyone aside from Luffy and those who aren't present in Flower Capital currently. There are few candidates who have the highest chances to get captured and those are the ones that were shown right after Fukurokuju said those words - Zoro, Sanji, Usopp and possibly Law.

Zoro is already injured and with Kyoshiro there it's not an unthinkable scenario that he gets captured. He could possibly handle the torture the best among all candidates but still it would show it's horrors. It might have been foreshadowed even, back in Ebisu town, when people told him he should smile more, he might be fed a Smile fruit... However, he is currently saving Hiyori so it might also not be him.


Usopp getting captured is something likely and theory about his capture already exists. He would be put to a test as a brave man of the seas. We all expect him to spill the beans fast and he even agreed in discussion with Nami but the opposite might happen. He is currently saving O-Toko so it also might not be him.

Sanji is what looks to me the most likely candidate because he isnt saving anyone currently and while Usopp fled the scene with O-Toko it seems like Zoro is fleeing too with Hiyori while Sanji remains in the clash with X-Drake and gets worked up because he called him a Vinsmoke. I expect the torture to trigger whatever modifications that werent triggered when Judge did those experiments on his children.

Another likely candidate could be Law. It seems like he is in a helpless situation considering that Hawkins has life links with his crew and Bepo's location is unknown... I expected him to get captured back then together with Luffy but it's not too late and Hawkins said he would be joining the prison soon. Not sure what to expect from Law's torture...
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Queen Has Brachiosaurus Devil Fruit

In the Prisoner Mines, the Beasts Pirates receive reports that an intruder has broken through all three gates, and all of them are astonished that it is none other than Big Mom. Luffy is stunned as well, but Big Mom pays them no mind as she smells o-shiruko and calls Tama to come eat it with her. Chopper is shocked at the seeming presence of shiruko, and Kiku tells Tama and Momonosuke to stay behind while she and Chopper cautiously infiltrate the prison.


Inside, Queen is angered to hear Big Mom mention o-shiruko, wondering if she came to take his unknowingly nonexistent supply from him. Despite Babanuki’s warning, Queen transforms into a brachiosaurus with the Ryu Ryu no Mi, Model: Brachiosaurus and stands against Big Mom. The major strength of this fruit is that it allows the user to turn into a brachiosaurus, granting him an immense boost to size and bulk. Brachiosaurus is a genus of sauropod dinosaur that lived in North America during the Late Jurassic, about 154–153 million years ago. As an Ancient Zoan, Ryu Ryu no Mi, Model: Brachiosaurus is implied to be stronger than a regular Zoan. All of this is useless anyway, since Big Mom is not a normal human! This causes Big Mom to grow impatient with Queen, so she leaps up and slams his head into the ground with monstrous force. Remember, no one can mess with a Yonko!
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Ronoroa Zoro Vs King The Wildfire

King the Wildfire is an All-Star of the Beasts Pirates and one of Kaido's three right-hand men, the Disasters. Many one piece fans doubt that vice captain zoro would fight and let alone defeat king the wildfire, because he might be even stronger than our mochi boy katakuri. I have to disagree. There are many reasons for my claim. First of all, one piece is about 80% completed according to oda. Since the difference between zoro and mihawk should still be huge, and with the story that much complete, zoro soon has to start challenging very powerful swordsmen on the way to become the world’s strongest swordsman.


Secondly, there’s no way that zoro wouldn’t want to fight king if he finds out that he is a swordsman and kaido’s strongest henchman. Not to mention that zoro almost always faces the right hand man of the opponent pirate crew. Hirdly, like everyone pointed out, king’s name is king the wildfire, and zoro stated in punk hazard that he would learn to cut fire. Those were the reasons I believe zoro would fight king. Now let me explain why I believe zoro could defeat him, even though king should be at luffy/katakuri tier. Like I said before, the story is 80% complete, zoro has to start defeating monstrous swordsmen. Zoro promised mihawk that he would never lose (to a swordsman) again.
He has no choice but to win, especially since promises in shonen are a huge thing. Now coming to the power level part, I do believe that zoro is weaker than luffy, but not by much. Zoro and luffy will have a minor difference in strength like rayleigh/roger. Their difference wouldn’t be huge like yonko/yonko commanders. If luffy is much stronger than a top yonko commander by the end of wano, then also zoro needs to be slightly stronger than a top yonko commander. Zoro also has been a monster in the new world . He has barely been trying and yet destroying characters like pica (who was vergo level). His power is unknown at this point, and it’s baseless to say that he can’t beat a yonko commander.


I’d try to explain why zoro could still be near luffy:

1. He could grow just like luffy did in whole cake island. There won’t be any shortages of enemy in wano. With the war between kaido, big mom, navy, and possibly other forces, zoro could fight very strong characters to grow to a whole new level. Luffy will still be stronger but zoro will reduce the gap since luffy is in prison while zoro would be defeating enemies.

2. Zoro trained hard with mihawk for 2 whole years, while luffy trained with rayleigh for 1.5 (rayleigh returned to sabaody archipelago half a year before luffy). This may have led to zoro having a more rewarding time-skip. Luffy may have grown much stronger in the new world but zoro could have gotten stronger at a faster rate than luffy during the time-skip, thus making the difference not so big.
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Headliners of the Beasts Pirates

Sheepshead - is the headliner of the gifters in the beasts pirates.
Heepshead ate an artificial devil fruit known as smile, which grants him the ability to transform his hands into the horns of a sheep.
Sheepshead is a competent fighter, having countered brook’s freezing soul parade without any visible difficulty; however, sanji managed to defeat him with a single diable jambe attack when brook stalled him.

Basil hawkins - is an infamous pirate from north blue known as the “magician” and the captain of the hawkins pirates. He is one of twelve pirates who are referred to as the “worst generation” (formerly known as the “eleven supernovas”).
After encountering kaido, he joined the beasts pirates and became one of the crew’s headliners.
Basil hawkins’ as-of-yet unnamed devil fruit ability enables him to redirect any instances of physical damage inflicted upon him to another person using straw voodoo dolls, leaving him unharmed but forcing his victim to take damage amounting to what he would have. The devil fruit also enables him to transform into a giant scarecrow-like entity, resembling a giant voodoo doll, with metal nails functioning as claws/fingernails.

Holdem - is a headliner of the beasts pirates, who resides in bakura town.
Holdem ate a lion smile, giving him the ability to generate a lion’s head and forelegs on his waist, as well as a tail on his back. The lion (kamjiro) possesses great strength in his paws and jaw, with holdem stating that he could easily crush tama with the latter. Kamijiro also possesses the ability to breath a large stream of fire, which holdem calls lion fire. The lion has a mind of its own, putting holdem at risk of being attacked by it. However, damage dealt by the lion will also hurt itself, as it shares the same body as holdem.

Speed - is a headliner of the beasts pirates who is stationed in bakura town.
Speed is a horse smile user, giving her the lower body and ears of a horse. Her field of vision is greatly increased as well, with her claiming it to be 350 degrees.

X drake - is a former marine rear admiral who later turned pirate and the captain of the drake pirates. He and his crew came from north blue. He is one of twelve pirates referred to as the “worst generation” (formerly as the “eleven supernovas”).
Currently, he and his crew are affiliated with the beasts pirates, the pirate crew led by kaido. He serves as one of the crew’s headliners.
Drake possesses a “rare, ancient zoan devil fruit” that gives him the ability to transform into a theropoda dinosaur. In this form he is large and powerful enough to directly wound one of the pacifista troops by biting it in the head, something that is quite difficult due to the cyborg’s heavy armor. It is also mentioned that the more carnivorous a zoan fruit is, the fiercer the combat abilities gained from eating it, which suggests that drake’s devil fruit makes him a strong and formidable opponent. Drake has also shown that he is capable of using busoshoku haki when he easily defeated caribou, a logia user.
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X Drake’s Subordinates

As of the chapter titled, ‘Amigasa Village’ it had finally been revealed that X Drake had become a Headliner under Kaido after some hints that he was likely working under the Yonko with the second revealation that he defeated some samurai in that village. Though, this post would like to return to Chapter 793 when it was not only touched upon again that Doflamingo killed Drake’s dad, but Drake was most likely in Wano as well.

It is safe to assume at this point that Drake is a Headliner in Chapter 793 and he is also seen with three men, but what I am now wondering are these few things:

Were those three men Drake’s subordinates?



If they were Drake’s subordinates, where are his crewmates? Hawkins had at least 1 of his crew with him in addition to his subordinates, so I feel like it seems strange now. And while Hawkins’ subordinates seemed loyal, Drake seemed like the one who was being ordered around to a degree which also seems rude as to contrast Hawkins was obviously in charge of the men under him and they followed HIS orders. (I wish I could look at the Viz Translation of that Chapter tbh to see the official translation of that conversation.)

Is it possible we will see Drake with those same men again or maybe a crewmate from Drake’s personal crew will make an appearance? It’s interesting to think about at the very least.

 Drake, like other Supernovas such as Bonney, is aware that Luffy and Law defeated Doffy since he takes interest in the pictures of them below Doffy’s picture by folding the paper in half. Now being known as a Headliner, could it be possible that Drake understood that Kaido would be targeting the pair due to their actions which messed up the SMILEs deal with Doflamingo at that point in time?

As we have yet to see Drake’s own reasons and his full story, I just felt like putting up this post since it’s likely that we’ll see Drake eventually, but also to speculate just a bit more with these questions. I know they can’t all be answered right away, but this has been on my mind for a while now—the scene with Drake in Chapter 793 at least.